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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/comment-page-4/#comment-134163</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2021 03:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this article. The thought that transferring to a new job with one’s entire caseload is due to putting the client first is both self-serving and inaccurate in most cases. The therapist is over emphasizing their own importance as a therapist and not considering the cost to a practice. For example, if paid on a salary, the therapist’s pay while building up a caseload is greater than what they are bringing in. If that person were to leave immediately after building a caseload, this would result in a large financial cost to the practice. The practice was paying the salary in good faith that the cost would be recuperated over time through fees collected once the caseload was established. The therapist saved about a year or two’s worth of work and expense. The practice just trained and paid for their own competition. 

As an owner of a small practice, I have had many therapists come and go over the years. We are in a small community and often have individuals work with us to get licensed so they can later move on to greener pastures closer to a metropolitan area. As such, transferring with a caseload has not been an issue, but it has given experience in having individuals leave a practice. Each time almost all the clients were able to transfer to the new therapist smoothly. In fact, many performed better with the new therapist. This could be because the new perspective helped further growth. Although I have seen patients that had difficulties transitioning, it has been no more than 1 to 3 clients for a single provider at most. A good case could be made for transferring with a few clients to a new practice, but not an entire caseload.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article. The thought that transferring to a new job with one’s entire caseload is due to putting the client first is both self-serving and inaccurate in most cases. The therapist is over emphasizing their own importance as a therapist and not considering the cost to a practice. For example, if paid on a salary, the therapist’s pay while building up a caseload is greater than what they are bringing in. If that person were to leave immediately after building a caseload, this would result in a large financial cost to the practice. The practice was paying the salary in good faith that the cost would be recuperated over time through fees collected once the caseload was established. The therapist saved about a year or two’s worth of work and expense. The practice just trained and paid for their own competition. </p>
<p>As an owner of a small practice, I have had many therapists come and go over the years. We are in a small community and often have individuals work with us to get licensed so they can later move on to greener pastures closer to a metropolitan area. As such, transferring with a caseload has not been an issue, but it has given experience in having individuals leave a practice. Each time almost all the clients were able to transfer to the new therapist smoothly. In fact, many performed better with the new therapist. This could be because the new perspective helped further growth. Although I have seen patients that had difficulties transitioning, it has been no more than 1 to 3 clients for a single provider at most. A good case could be made for transferring with a few clients to a new practice, but not an entire caseload.</p>
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		By: Nicole		</title>
		<link>https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/comment-page-4/#comment-133350</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2021 08:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Terrible terrible advice! Your recommendations are unethical and do not work in the interest of the client. Seek counseling from the board of psychology!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrible terrible advice! Your recommendations are unethical and do not work in the interest of the client. Seek counseling from the board of psychology!</p>
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		By: PsyD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PsyD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2021 17:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is overall terrible advice and sounds like the writer runs or works at a poorly run &quot;income over care&quot; type of &quot;practice.&quot; Just because the &quot;agency&quot; built the caseload doesn&#039;t mean they have a right over the patients choice of autonomy. In my experience most of the agencies that abide by this writer&#039;s &quot;tips&quot; tend to have high turnover, high burnout, and low pay...the therapists don&#039;t leave bad jobs they leave bad bosses and bad management. If your agency is sending emails and always stressing &quot;how important productivity and billing is&quot; you can be sure they don&#039;t care about patient care as much as they should. You don&#039;t hear medical practices telling patients they have to stay if their doctor goes to another practice. Shameful and definitely not ethical advice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is overall terrible advice and sounds like the writer runs or works at a poorly run &#8220;income over care&#8221; type of &#8220;practice.&#8221; Just because the &#8220;agency&#8221; built the caseload doesn&#8217;t mean they have a right over the patients choice of autonomy. In my experience most of the agencies that abide by this writer&#8217;s &#8220;tips&#8221; tend to have high turnover, high burnout, and low pay&#8230;the therapists don&#8217;t leave bad jobs they leave bad bosses and bad management. If your agency is sending emails and always stressing &#8220;how important productivity and billing is&#8221; you can be sure they don&#8217;t care about patient care as much as they should. You don&#8217;t hear medical practices telling patients they have to stay if their doctor goes to another practice. Shameful and definitely not ethical advice.</p>
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		By: Serena		</title>
		<link>https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/comment-page-3/#comment-127064</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree w/ Thriveworks. An ethical therapist would explain to their clients that transition is a part of life, and would help their clients navigate change, transition, loss and new chapters filled with opportunity. An ethical therapist wouldn&#039;t allow their clients to believe that their therapist is the only one who can bring value to their lives. I&#039;d encourage the therapists who have posted negative feedback about Thriveworks&#039; advice to consider their clients in their totality and to zoom out. It&#039;s not just about the therapist&#039;s &quot;need&quot; to retain their clients. It is also about honoring the business that employed them and about honoring the needs of the clients to continue evolving beyond their one therapist who feels so attached to them. Codependency is not what counseling is about. It&#039;s about empowering people to grow, not stay stuck in one therapeutic relationship with one counselor forever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree w/ Thriveworks. An ethical therapist would explain to their clients that transition is a part of life, and would help their clients navigate change, transition, loss and new chapters filled with opportunity. An ethical therapist wouldn&#8217;t allow their clients to believe that their therapist is the only one who can bring value to their lives. I&#8217;d encourage the therapists who have posted negative feedback about Thriveworks&#8217; advice to consider their clients in their totality and to zoom out. It&#8217;s not just about the therapist&#8217;s &#8220;need&#8221; to retain their clients. It is also about honoring the business that employed them and about honoring the needs of the clients to continue evolving beyond their one therapist who feels so attached to them. Codependency is not what counseling is about. It&#8217;s about empowering people to grow, not stay stuck in one therapeutic relationship with one counselor forever.</p>
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		By: Amy		</title>
		<link>https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/#comment-113932</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2019 00:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/#comment-73534&quot;&gt;mia&lt;/a&gt;.

I also disagree with this advice...I was shocked to see #1. It&#039;s not about the business, it&#039;s always about what clients want. As clinicians we build relationships with these people, they are not part of a sales/numbers system on whoever brought in the clients gets to keep them mindset. I really hope this part of the article gets taken down...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a rel="nofollow"href="https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/#comment-73534">mia</a>.</p>
<p>I also disagree with this advice&#8230;I was shocked to see #1. It&#8217;s not about the business, it&#8217;s always about what clients want. As clinicians we build relationships with these people, they are not part of a sales/numbers system on whoever brought in the clients gets to keep them mindset. I really hope this part of the article gets taken down&#8230;</p>
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		By: Tracy Marshall Johnson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy Marshall Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2019 18:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is poor form to abandon a client. If you must leave one agency for another, discuss who will come with you with your employer and don&#039;t leave the clients in the cold to fend for themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is poor form to abandon a client. If you must leave one agency for another, discuss who will come with you with your employer and don&#8217;t leave the clients in the cold to fend for themselves.</p>
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		By: E		</title>
		<link>https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/comment-page-3/#comment-107062</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2018 19:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Anthony,

Truly, thank you for sharing your thoughts here. They are very useful in understanding and empathizing with the business owner&#039;s perspective. This is certainly a layered ethical situation, both from a clinical and business perspective. Similar to the psychologists/clinicians who also commented here, I will always put my clients first, ethically. Including before business. Therefore I would not tell the clients that they were required to transfer to another provider. From my perspective, that would be unethical.

However, I really did appreciate the other possibilities suggested: (1) reimburse the agency, and (2) slowly wean down. May I ask, when the counsellor you spoke of above was weaning down, was it okay with you/her to take her off your website during that time? So when she was googled, her private practice would come up, instead of your practice? I am trying to take a business owner&#039;s perspective on this.

Any response would be much appreciated.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anthony,</p>
<p>Truly, thank you for sharing your thoughts here. They are very useful in understanding and empathizing with the business owner&#8217;s perspective. This is certainly a layered ethical situation, both from a clinical and business perspective. Similar to the psychologists/clinicians who also commented here, I will always put my clients first, ethically. Including before business. Therefore I would not tell the clients that they were required to transfer to another provider. From my perspective, that would be unethical.</p>
<p>However, I really did appreciate the other possibilities suggested: (1) reimburse the agency, and (2) slowly wean down. May I ask, when the counsellor you spoke of above was weaning down, was it okay with you/her to take her off your website during that time? So when she was googled, her private practice would come up, instead of your practice? I am trying to take a business owner&#8217;s perspective on this.</p>
<p>Any response would be much appreciated.</p>
<p>Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.</p>
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		By: Victoria Pappas		</title>
		<link>https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/#comment-100764</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victoria Pappas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2018 21:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/#comment-73534&quot;&gt;mia&lt;/a&gt;.

I absolutely disagree with this advice, as well. Ethical psychotherapy practice is ALWAYS about respect for client autonomy / their right to make their own decisions. This advice puts the income of a business owner over the rights and well-being of the clients served by the therapists of that business, and the well-being of their clients should always be a Therapist&#039;s highest priority!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a rel="nofollow"href="https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/#comment-73534">mia</a>.</p>
<p>I absolutely disagree with this advice, as well. Ethical psychotherapy practice is ALWAYS about respect for client autonomy / their right to make their own decisions. This advice puts the income of a business owner over the rights and well-being of the clients served by the therapists of that business, and the well-being of their clients should always be a Therapist&#8217;s highest priority!!!!</p>
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		By: Anthony Centore		</title>
		<link>https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/comment-page-2/#comment-94683</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Centore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2017 00:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/comment-page-2/#comment-94617&quot;&gt;Susan Chang&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry that we disgusted you, Susan!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a rel="nofollow"href="https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/comment-page-2/#comment-94617">Susan Chang</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry that we disgusted you, Susan!</p>
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		By: Susan Chang		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Chang]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2017 15:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am shocked by this answer. What happens when you are an independent contractor at a group practice and the owner of the group practice has already been taking a portion for getting you clients and still wants to sell you clients when you leave? Or what if you are working hard on getting people to transfer to other independent contractors and clients refuse, even to the point where they state they won&#039;t do therapy anymore if they have to be transferred. And these are paying clients? I am disgusted by this answer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shocked by this answer. What happens when you are an independent contractor at a group practice and the owner of the group practice has already been taking a portion for getting you clients and still wants to sell you clients when you leave? Or what if you are working hard on getting people to transfer to other independent contractors and clients refuse, even to the point where they state they won&#8217;t do therapy anymore if they have to be transferred. And these are paying clients? I am disgusted by this answer.</p>
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		By: Therapist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Therapist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/#comment-73248&quot;&gt;Dora&lt;/a&gt;.

Very much agree. 
Thriveworks, I appreciate your writings but I was disturbed by this piece as well as it seems to focus exclusively on the well-being of a business. I see nothing in here about clients and their well-being. This is obviously a business-based article. Counseling should not include &quot;so much business&quot; perspective that everything else gets lost.

I have clients who want to come with me and I would not be an ethical therapist if I said &quot;no, you can&#039;t come with me, stay where you are.&quot; A lot of my clients have children with behavioral problems or suicidal ideations and we have built a relationship. If I say &quot;no, you can&#039;t come with me&quot; wouldn&#039;t I be violating the American Counseling Associations ethics on client-therapist relationship?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a rel="nofollow"href="https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/#comment-73248">Dora</a>.</p>
<p>Very much agree.<br />
Thriveworks, I appreciate your writings but I was disturbed by this piece as well as it seems to focus exclusively on the well-being of a business. I see nothing in here about clients and their well-being. This is obviously a business-based article. Counseling should not include &#8220;so much business&#8221; perspective that everything else gets lost.</p>
<p>I have clients who want to come with me and I would not be an ethical therapist if I said &#8220;no, you can&#8217;t come with me, stay where you are.&#8221; A lot of my clients have children with behavioral problems or suicidal ideations and we have built a relationship. If I say &#8220;no, you can&#8217;t come with me&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t I be violating the American Counseling Associations ethics on client-therapist relationship?</p>
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		By: Carlos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carlos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2017 15:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I must agree with the other comments here about taking clients with you. I think often it&#039;s less taking clients with you and more clients following you. After building rapport, and the therapeutic relationship is strong if a clinician decides to leave an agency and the clients want to go, that is a part of clients rights. Therapist must be sure to adhere to nonmaleficence which is doing no harm. So if a therapist denies a client they have been seeing for 6 months, because the therapist decides to leave an agency and open a private practice, where does that leave the client who has opened up and trusts the therapist? The client could possibly regress.

I feel that as long as the clinician doesn&#039;t solicit client&#039;s that it should  not be an issue, and as an agency that provides quality care, the agency should understand the importance of the therapeutic relationship between client and counselor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with the other comments here about taking clients with you. I think often it&#8217;s less taking clients with you and more clients following you. After building rapport, and the therapeutic relationship is strong if a clinician decides to leave an agency and the clients want to go, that is a part of clients rights. Therapist must be sure to adhere to nonmaleficence which is doing no harm. So if a therapist denies a client they have been seeing for 6 months, because the therapist decides to leave an agency and open a private practice, where does that leave the client who has opened up and trusts the therapist? The client could possibly regress.</p>
<p>I feel that as long as the clinician doesn&#8217;t solicit client&#8217;s that it should  not be an issue, and as an agency that provides quality care, the agency should understand the importance of the therapeutic relationship between client and counselor.</p>
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		By: Stacy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 00:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So I am leaving to go to another clinic and I have a very large private practice.  The clinic is small and they have never given me a single referral, it has been all me.  There is no other female therapist to refer them to.  So that leaves me with wondering this...how is it unethical to take them with you, when there is no one to leave them with?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I am leaving to go to another clinic and I have a very large private practice.  The clinic is small and they have never given me a single referral, it has been all me.  There is no other female therapist to refer them to.  So that leaves me with wondering this&#8230;how is it unethical to take them with you, when there is no one to leave them with?</p>
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		By: mia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2016 03:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[this is not good advice..if you brought your clients to this agency, cause all agencies do not build up therapist caseloads, the clients will more than likely leave with you, because you have that relationship and rapport. An agency cannot prevent this from happening. Doesnt matter if you sign an agreement. If a client does not want to stay with the agency. They can leave and that is their right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is not good advice..if you brought your clients to this agency, cause all agencies do not build up therapist caseloads, the clients will more than likely leave with you, because you have that relationship and rapport. An agency cannot prevent this from happening. Doesnt matter if you sign an agreement. If a client does not want to stay with the agency. They can leave and that is their right.</p>
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		By: Dora		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2016 12:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[terrible advice - counselling is all about the therapeutic relationship, not the employer&#039;s bank balance. Of course therapists take clients with them, clients need them to do so. shocking piece of writing]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>terrible advice &#8211; counselling is all about the therapeutic relationship, not the employer&#8217;s bank balance. Of course therapists take clients with them, clients need them to do so. shocking piece of writing</p>
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		By: Ashlea		</title>
		<link>https://twx.atlantacounseling.com/blog/9-tips-for-leaving-a-counseling-job/#comment-72763</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ashlea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2016 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What do you do when the practice has failed to pay youfor services rendered and is threatening non payment?]]></description>
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